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WOOKIE
06-27-2005, 10:36 AM
Special committee formed to hear angry hunters and insistent aboriginals


JAMES BAXTER Legislature Bureau Chief
With files from Jason Markusoff and Larissa Liepins




EDMONTON
The Klein government has struck a special caucus committee to deal with deep divisions arising from giving Métis special hunting and fishing rights.
Conservative party whip Denis Ducharme will chair the three-person committee. He said the committee hopes to ease tensions that developed after the government and the Métis Nation of Alberta reached an interim agreement last year recognizing their rights to hunt and fish on Crown-owned lands.
The agreement has deeply divided the Tory caucus, as many MLAs have come under intense political pressure from angry hunters and anglers.
“I guess after all of the e-mails and the onslaught of a lot of rhetoric from outdoors people, they decided (consulting the public) might be a good idea,” said Randy Collins, president of the Alberta Fish and Game Association. The group is pressing the government to tear up the agreement with the Metis and, if necessary, use the notwithstanding clause to ignore a Supreme Court of Canada decision that opened the way for Metis hunting on government lands.
But an expert in aboriginal law said the notwithstanding clause only applies to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Aboriginal rights are enshrined in the constitution, but are not part of the Charter.
“I don’t see how (the clause) would apply at all,”University of Alberta law professor Val Napoleon said.
At the heart of the controversy is a 2003 Supreme Court of Canada ruling that Metis people have the same right as status Indians to hunt for food on Crown land during the off-season and without licences. Steve Powley and his son Roddy, from a Metis community in Sault Ste. Marie, Ont., were charged with hunting without a licence after they shot a moose in 1993.
After more than a decade of legal battles, the court ruled Metis people with links to historical Metis communities and traditions share the aboriginal right to hunt for food along with First Nations people.
The province and the Metis Nation of Alberta followed that up last year with an interim agreement that remains in force, which recognizes aboriginal hunting and fishing rights for Metis. It allows Metis hunting and fishing rights as long as they could show they needed to hunt to survive. They need approval from officials with the Metis settlement where they live or from the Metis Nation of Alberta.
“It’s more than about pride in our nation,”said Audrey Poitras, president of the Metis Nation of Alberta. “There’s a stringent process involved in recognizing someone as Metis.”
Ducharme will be joined by Calgary MLA Neil Brown and Frank Oberle, MLA for Peace River, on the committee. He said many MLAs have received a barrage of mail and phone calls expressing concern over the deal. It was also a frequent issue raised by opposition MLAs in the legislature this spring.
Ducharme said many of the complaints assert that the government gave away more than was required under the high court decision.
The Alberta Fish and Game Association has been lobbying for the government to break the agreement because they view it as too broad and open to abuse. Among the greatest weaknesses, it contends, is there are no rules barring Metis from other parts of Canada from coming to Alberta and claiming hunting rights, he added.
In the Powley case, however, the Supreme court ruled Metis must show they have a connection to the land they want to hunt on.
Collins also expressed anger that the deal with the Metis was negotiated in secret and that hunting-and-fishing groups, and conservationists, were never consulted.
“When it came to the interim agreement, we were taken aback because there was no consultation,” he said. “Basically, we took it upon ourselves to force the debate.”
Collins said his organizations wrote and circulated a position paper to its members and to government, and encouraged its members to write to elected MLAs.
“Most of the concerns were raised by the Alberta Fish and Game Association,” Ducharme confirmed. He said the committee will meet with the association in July, as well as with Metis groups and other interested stakeholders. “There’s lots of misinformation being passed around out there and among MLAs.
“Our mandate is to collect and filter information. We hope, at the end of the day, to be in a position to provide recommendations (on government policy) to assist MLAs to deal with concerned constituents.”
Ducharme admitted there is tension over the issue, but denied there is a clear urban-rural split. Other insiders say the caucus is deeply split, largely along north-south lines. Southern MLAs, led by Calgary’s Ted Morton, are advocating ignoring the court decision, while northern MLAs, where most Metis reside, support making the interim agreement permanent.
Morton, an avid hunter and angler himself, has been among the caucus’ most vocal critics of the agreement. He cautions that bighorn sheep, grizzlies and some already-depleted fish stocks are being threatened further by Metis’ virtually unfettered access to them.
“There’s a number of us, obviously including myself, who think the impact will be significant,” Morton said.
He also contends that Alberta’s agreement is far broader than those in other provinces.
jbaxter@thejournal.canwest.com

bambam
06-27-2005, 11:24 AM
I would like to see the Agreement revamped. If the issue of Metis Hunting Rights needs to be addressed, why not let them have free tags, but the can only have tags for seasons that are open to everyone else. If it is a general tag, they get a free tag, if it is a draw then they must apply for the draw and if they get drawn then they get a free tag. It would work the same as any other licenced hunter in Alberta, but the would recieve thier tags free of charge. They would then be forced to abide more closely with the Alberta Hunting Regulations. Doing it this way takes away the Carte Blanche they now have and hopefully would curb some of the "Trophy Substinance Hunting" that is going on by SOME of the unregulated Metis Hunters.

Just my thoughts.

bdoa
06-27-2005, 04:03 PM
They would then be forced to abide more closely with the Alberta Hunting Regulations.

Just my thoughts.

I am not taking a position, just my thoughts.

Aboriginal as well as Metis hunters, putting aside the fact that they can hunt any game animal that is not a closed or protected species of big game, or game bird , must follow every rule put forward by the government of alberta in regards to hunting regulations. All people of Alberta are bound by the same regulatory structure.
With the exception of netting, they are bound by the same sportfishing regulations as everyone else at this point.
So although your Ideas may or may not be plausible, and may or may not work well, We will still have a problem with unethical hunters whether they be white, aboriginal, or metis, as bad people come in many shapes and sizes. A year ago before the agreement, If a Metis was charged under the wildlife act, he was just another guy in a majority of hunters that violated the act, but now because he has rights he is pick out of the majority, and lumped into a minority as fuel for the fire. Not all white, aboriginal, or metis are law breakers, but some are so we should focus on law breakers as a group, and not groups as lawbreakers.

Randy

MSD
06-27-2005, 04:53 PM
All I have to say is that I know a person who shot 17 deer, 3 moose and 3 elk legally under the Metis act from November until January. He is planning on going into the mountains this year to shoot a trophy bighorn sheep. If that is not reason enough to scrap this joke of a bill, I dont know what is.

bambam
06-27-2005, 05:01 PM
I am not taking a position, just my thoughts.

Aboriginal as well as Metis hunters, putting aside the fact that they can hunt any game animal that is not a closed or protected species of big game, or game bird , must follow every rule put forward by the government of alberta in regards to hunting regulations. All people of Alberta are bound by the same regulatory structure.
With the exception of netting, they are bound by the same sportfishing regulations as everyone else at this point.
So although your Ideas may or may not be plausible, and may or may not work well, We will still have a problem with unethical hunters whether they be white, aboriginal, or metis, as bad people come in many shapes and sizes. A year ago before the agreement, If a Metis was charged under the wildlife act, he was just another guy in a majority of hunters that violated the act, but now because he has rights he is pick out of the majority, and lumped into a minority as fuel for the fire. Not all white, aboriginal, or metis are law breakers, but some are so we should focus on law breakers as a group, and not groups as lawbreakers.

Randy

Randy, I am not saying that all Metis are poachers, what I am saying is that if a Metis Nation member wants to go to Cadomin and shoot 5 Trophy Rams, he can do it lawfully right now under the guise of sustanance hunting. If I need to shoot 5 whitetail does to make sure my family has enough to eat for the year, I am poaching and it just is not right. The agreement needs to be reworked to agree better with all parties involved.

calgarychef1
06-27-2005, 05:48 PM
I agree that the metis should have to get tags like the rest, perhaps the idea of them having free tags might pacify them, but I doubt it will. The argument could be made that those of us who come from hunting families are also subsistence hunting and therefore should have the same rights as metis. Truthfully not many people subsistence hunt nowdays and it should all be abolished except in true and verifiable cases. The innuit hunting comes to mind as true subsistence hunting.

I just think it's sad that those of us who fight and pay for habitat enhancement should shoulder the costs while others take the game for free. I could get my metis card if I chose to- I don't believe in preferential treatment for any group of Canadians everyone should be on a level playing field.

the chef

swalker
06-27-2005, 06:27 PM
This has been a thorn in my side for wany years for many reasons.Why any one group should get special rights that they just abuse is beond me.For many years while living in the Yukon I have seen natives shot anything that moved,take the choice pieces and leave the rest to rot.They say the are conserving nature while they sot a cow moose looking to calf with twins and the guy had to come to our lodge to borrow a knife to dress the animal.I have been shot over top of me by a native to kill a caribu in an area where they are just about wiped out.An area that was originally named for the great numbers of caribu that crssed there.And just this Febuary I was approached by a native to go out with him and his brother to kill,his words,'kill as many elk and deer as I wanted".I have seen them kill a sow grizzly with three cubs just for the claws.Why do these people deserve special rights?They say we are prejijust towords them and don't respect there native rights.How can yourespect a people yhat have no respect for anything but themself.The days of native subsistance hunting are gone.The native that shot over my head to kill the caribu,he is a goverment emplyee.Sorry if I seem to rant on this subject but ut really tics me off!!!! :-x

WOOKIE
06-28-2005, 07:17 AM
This has turned into a good discussion. There are views from both sides of the issue. Just keep it clean guys.

canoe
06-28-2005, 07:21 AM
i think that ALL hunters should play by the sames rules. Metis are not first nation, heck their not even second nation. It took natives and white men to breed to make metis so they are third nation. why do they get special rights?

lostbowman
06-28-2005, 02:16 PM
I do not have a problem metis or first nation people hunting 24 hour a day or 7 days a
week as long as they use the weapons and the transportion that were in place when they were given this rights are used today this means no high power rifles or 4x4 trucks with spot lights . There also was a white man here 9 months before any metis.

swalker
06-28-2005, 02:33 PM
I agree with lostbowman,if they want traditional hunt rights then they should use traditional means and only on thier own land.

alwayshunting
06-29-2005, 08:02 AM
When will people realize that we are Canadians. All of us. We should all have the same rights and laws to govern us all in socity and wildlife conservation.. I really think that socity must change its view of what a Canadian is.There should be no differance between myself born in Canada or someone who was born of aboriginal desent in Canada if we were both born in Canada around the same time. If we don't than we will suffer as Canadians together. To protect Nature and Wildlife we as Canadians must work together so we can enjoy and benifit from the harvest for years to come. If we don't we will probably lose what is most important to us.